the cataclysmic weather events, you are in the realm of speculation. it is proven by the fact we have had a low hurricane season. this would be come call except for the fact -- comical except for the fact that the climate hysterical crowd are putting brakes on the economy. at the time we need blue collar somebodies, the opposite is happening because of the excessive climate regulation. >> bill, in fact, there is evidence that from '97 to 2012, global mean temperatures have flatlined. they haven't been going up. >> well, i don't think you should end the war against atmospheric carbon. i think you should wage in a different way. i have a two-part plan. part one -- i will agree with steve on this one. end all of the green energy tax deductions, tax credits, subsidiaries, boondoggles, mandates, loans to billionaires making -- >> okay. we get it. wind mills, ethanol, all that stuff. >> yeah. $80,000 electric car. >> second part of the plan. >> carbon tax.